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Gender Genie - does your writing say you're male or female?

Posted on 2007.02.18 at 18:34
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This is interesting - more gender stuff. Here's a link to a program called Gender Genie that purports to tell someone's sex based on their word usage. So, I tried it. I put in the first chapter of Swords and Seduction and Gender Genie opined that I was male, by a rather large margin. So, okay, I had to find out if this was consistent so I tried the first chapter of all my fics. Apparently when I wrote all my LOTR fics and my Swordspoint fic, I was writing in a male head space. The only fics that identified me as female were Oromedon's Lessons and Wind and Fire. Go figure. Maybe it was because I was trying for a different voice with those two. Well, so much for using people's word usage to id their gender. LOL. But (shrugs), check it out and let me know what happened. It's fun anyway. 

(I wonder how on earth they decided that "if" is feminine and "what" is masculine?)

And btw, based on the text of this post, I'm a man.  Who knew?

Comments:


Master Erestor
erestor at 2007-02-19 01:57 (UTC) (Link)
That was interesting. My LOTR fics are female, my POTC fics are male. Only exception being the one short het POTC fic I wrote (very telling).

I'm gender-confused now.
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-19 03:20 (UTC) (Link)
Very cornfusing indeed. It makes one wonder if it's the test that's hooey, or if as writers we are attuned to different voices, or something . . .
Larian
larianelensar at 2007-02-19 01:58 (UTC) (Link)
Because generally, men are problem solvers, and what is more geared to solving a problem ...women are not (usually) problem solving, they want someone to listen, but not necessarily fix it it, so if is a more theorically geared word...

well, that'd be my guess!
lol
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-19 03:26 (UTC) (Link)
What if I tested this sentence with the Gender Genie? And what if it came back and said I was a hermaphrodite. LOL! Did you try one of your fics, btw?
Larian
larianelensar at 2007-02-19 04:29 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, my fics...written from a male pov (I thought) were more female, by a large margin. My LJ was more male. Heh.
Larian
larianelensar at 2007-02-19 04:37 (UTC) (Link)
Words: 31
(NOTE: The genie works best on texts of more than 500 words.)

Female Score: 172
Male Score: 94

The Gender Genie thinks the author of this passage is: female!


HA! It wimped out. said that wasn't enough words.
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-19 04:42 (UTC) (Link)
LOLOLOL!
Kei
keiliss at 2007-02-19 04:13 (UTC) (Link)
Interesting, I'm going to try this when I'm actually awake.

I saw you were online but missed you because my life is NEVER simple...I left you an offline though, so we are progressing :|

'hugs'
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-20 06:39 (UTC) (Link)
Hope you had a good birthday today. Smooch!
mysid
mysid at 2007-02-19 13:33 (UTC) (Link)
I tried three or four of my fics, and it consistently (and correctly) identified me as female. Then I gave it a few chapters of The Charioteer by Mary Renault. It said that she was male. Fics by two of my favorite (female) fanfic writers also came up as male.

Now I want my fics to sound male too! [pouts]
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-20 07:15 (UTC) (Link)
It's funny when I tried a long passage from The Persian Boy, it came up female. With such mixed results, this thing can't be accurate. And I find anything that purports to figure gender based on word usage has to be using the grossest stereotypes. A female result is as fine as a male result. As we all know, women write quite as well as men.
hugs
mysid
mysid at 2007-02-20 15:44 (UTC) (Link)
I'm glad you tested The Persian Boy, because I wanted to. I had a sneaky suspicion it would read as "female." The story is told by Bagoas, and he's the most feminine of Renault's male characters.

When I said that I wanted my fics to test as "male," I didn't mean that I thought male writers were better. I just meant that if three of my favorite writers--all female--all fell into one category--whatever the Gender Genie called that category--I wanted to be in that category with them.
Kenaz
kenazfiction at 2007-02-19 16:20 (UTC) (Link)
All of my LOTR fics came back Male, which pleases me immensely since they're all written either in the POV of male characters, or they're an omnicient narrative written *about* male characters. I slotted in a couple of entries from my personal journal, however, and they all came back Female. Which also pleases me, because I've got to be a girl some of the time! :D
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-20 07:17 (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, pretty much everyone has had the experience of mixed results. Kinda casts doubt on the whole thing. I'm enjoying this discussion.
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elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-20 07:39 (UTC) (Link)
LoL - yeah baby rip his heart out and feed it to him. Have I told you recently that you're a hoot? Hey, this is fun, an actual discussion. So, I'm going to look at this logically - since almost everyone so far has had mixed results, and it said most of us were male (at least some of the time) it patently doesn't work. (Unless of course we are writing from our animus part of the time, which I suppose is possible - lol.) And I wonder where they get the stats that say that I, as a woman, would use "she" or "me" more frequently than a man would? And aren't there cultural and regional differences? And don't some women speak in a more straight forward (and therefore supposedly more masculine manner)than others? And aren't we dealing in gross stereotypes and . . . Goes off ranting. Comes back. Verify that you say? Is that a challenge or a proposition? Mmmmm.
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casualis
casualis at 2007-02-19 19:19 (UTC) (Link)
*shrugs*

Male also ! *grins* I don't want to know how they managed to devise this program.

Hugs,
Cas
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-20 07:43 (UTC) (Link)
I know. It's kinda funny that it thinks we're all men - at least some of the time, unless we're writing soldier porn. LOL! And I'm glad to see you. It's been a while!
m_carvaggio at 2007-02-20 17:00 (UTC) (Link)
It's highly subjective but very interesting! A lot depends on how often one uses 'he' or 'she'. All the chapters which were partially or wholly concerned with women came out as female and all those similarly concerned with males, whether it was to do with slash or het, came out male. It's quite possible to think oneself into either gender and show it in the writing. At least it is for me!
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2007-02-22 05:57 (UTC) (Link)
Hey there. Well, I think that's partly because the test's definition of "feminine" writing included the word "she" or "her." At least that's what I recall. But I don't think the corresponding masculine terms included "he" or "him." which I found strange. So, anyway, as much fun as this test is and as much fun as I had being labeled a male writer,*g* I think it's basically unscientific.
However, I completely agree with you that if one is a good writer, one should be able to write from either gender's point of view. I think the same goes for writing from another cultural pov, or about anyone completely different in temperament than the author. We are using our imaginations after all. And finally, I don't think it's such a stretch to write from a different gender's pov as I don't think we're all that different really. People want to categorize into absolutes when, in my experience, almost nothing actually works that way. Rather than being a case of either/or or black/white, it's more of a continuim, and most of us fall somewhere along that greyed line, containing some measure of each.
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