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More news on Alexander

Posted on 2004.10.30 at 18:22
Current Mood: awakeawake
Hey friends,
Just gacked this one from a gal named Mereneith on the Daunting Byron group (I don't know her but do like to give proper credit - LOL). Anyway, she had a great quote from a new book on the making of the movie Alexander re: Colin Farrell's scene with Francisco Bosch.

"Francisco had to speak, then kiss Colin on the lips and retire with
him under the bed blankets. It was hard enough for him to remember his
words under the lights, but despite having kissed Rosario for luck
(they became close on the set), he froze with Colin and had to be
pushed wholeheartedly into it by Colin himself. "Just play it as skin
and silence," Colin told him in their bed."

I agree with her that that is a lovely quote. "Just play it as skin and silence." She didn't, however, give the name of the book. Two questions: one, can anyone get me the title and author of this book? And two, how the hell can a book be out already about the making of Alexander?

Looking forward even more to this flic. I hate to say it, but I got on Amazon the other day and bought Robin Lane Fox's book on Alexander. (He was a consultant to Oliver Stone and asked to lead a charge on horseback in one of the scenes as payment for his services - ha! Who says scholars are stuffy?)



Milady Hawke
miladyhawke at 2004-10-30 21:31 (UTC) (Link)
Wow, such a lovely quote. Who knew Colin was a poet too?

Now, I hate to tempt you towards another fandom since we need you so desperately in LotR, but have you read the Mary Renault Alexander trilogy? Specifically the middle book, "The Persian Boy." She has this annoying fade-to-black habit, but the Bagoas/Alexander Alexander/Hephaistion relationships in that are so incredibly devastating - there's tons of great fanfic on those.
dalogas at 2004-10-31 01:29 (UTC) (Link)
Oh my god, don't get her started.

She's been pushing me to read the damn thing for over a year now. LOL!

Thanks, Elfscribe, for compiling these little titillating tidbits. I had been interested in the flic already, but your little postings have gotten me a little hot and bothered as well.

As an expert on gay porn, I gotta say that hard and heavy sex is hot, but the sight of two hot guys kissing rates pretty high as well. I've always felt Colin was incredibly kissable.

So does anyone think that by choosing two consecutive roles involving same-sex love Mr. Farrell has opened himself to speculation about his own sexuality? I'm not saying that he should out himself or anything. I don't even think it's appropriate to ask him directly. But isn't it reasonable to expect people to talk and to question? It's part of American culture to speculate about our celebrities.

And if it's ok to speculate, then what's wrong with Real Person Slash? Not that I'm condemning or defending RPS. But while most RPS stories are about actors, very few of these actors have chosen the roles Mr. Farrell has.

So I return to my original question. By choosing the roles he has, has Colin Farrell invited speculation about his sexuality?

Sorry ES, didn't mean to hijack your LJ.

elfscribe5 at 2004-10-31 14:06 (UTC) (Link)
Glad you've enjoyed the titillating tidbits. *g* Yeah, two hot guys kissing is pretty high up there on my scale as well.

Re: Colin Farrell's sexuality. Well, from the little I know of the actor, he is a major womanizer. I suspect he merely looks at doing these roles as an acting challenge and I applaud him for his open-minded attitude. I guess it just shows how freaked our society still is about homosexuality that we even think anything of it. But unfortunately because we're a long way from open acceptance of gays, I am sure it does open Mr. Farrell up to some speculation. My feeling is who cares what an actor does privately. I did read somewhere that Colin's agent told him that he would kill Colin if he took on anymore sexuality ambiguous roles. So, I suspect he'll be back in full het form in the next flic.

Now, trust you, my dear Dalo to start a philosophical conversation when mostly all we do is be squeeing fangirls here. *g*
dalogas at 2004-10-31 14:25 (UTC) (Link)
...Now, trust you, my dear Dalo to start a philosophical conversation when mostly all we do is be squeeing fangirls here. *g*

What can I say? I'm a bad, bad man. LOL
Milady Hawke
miladyhawke at 2004-10-31 20:26 (UTC) (Link)
Hey, Dalo. Nice to see you again :) You know, you should really listen to Elfscribe - The Persian Boy is well worth it. *gangs up on Dalo*

"So does anyone think that by choosing two consecutive roles involving same-sex love Mr. Farrell has opened himself to speculation about his own sexuality?"

Good one. I think he may have actually addressed that at one point and left it up to speculation. But I could just be pulling that out of my ass, LoL. I know there certainly has been commentary and speculation, however. Sadly, I never paid that much attention as he hasn't caught my attention until this movie.
elfscribe5 at 2004-10-31 14:12 (UTC) (Link)
Hiya Milady.
Ah yes, I've been a fan of Mary Renault for many years - long before I even knew what "slash" was. Capella (who is also a big fan)and I have discussed her books many times. I think I've read them all. And I agree "The Persian Boy" is my favorite. I just started reading it again for the 4th time. MR is such a brilliant writer. This reading I am really lingering over the writing in an attempt to study her technique. Maggie Honeybite is also a big fan. Maggie's fic which fills in one of MR's fade to black scenes in "The Charioteer" is really good. Can't remember the title. Maybe Maggie can pop in here and direct us to it. (The Charioteer is another brilliant work that Capella got me to read this year for the first time.) I haven't read any other MR fanfic, although I do subscribe to the LJ Mary Renault fan group. I think I'd almost be afraid to try writing anything myself. Although I have had an idea noodling around in my head for a scene from The Persian Boy.(Arg - too many bunnies and not enough writing time.)

I'm afraid this Alexander movie isn't looking to Mary Renault's work for inspiration, near as I can tell. But nice that they aren't going to gloss over the ancient sources which explicitly mention that Bagoas was Alexander's eromenos and both Plutarch and Athenaeus mention that Alexander very publicly gave Bagoas a kiss after he won a dance competition.

Oh and thanks for saying I'm needed in the LOTR fangroups. Sweet. I'm sure, however, they'd do fine without me. LOL.
Milady Hawke
miladyhawke at 2004-10-31 20:54 (UTC) (Link)
Oh god yes, her technique. Her writing is soo lovely. I've only ever read the trilogy once (this past summer) but intend to read Persian Boy again before attempting any fic and am thinking that I should really read The Charioteer, since everyone is on about that too. But, as you say, so many bunnies, so little time. You know, a great one for imitating Renault is Baranduin; she's got some great Persian Boy fic, although I remember it being on the short side.

I haven't heard of this Maggie Honeybite person, but I will go find her - thanks!

About the movie, it is a shame that they aren't drawing more on Renault, especially since I think everyone was expecting more of a relationship with Hephaistion (although I do have high expectations for intensity between the two). But I am highly surprised that Bagoas factors into it at all and that they go as far as they do with it, esp. since I think I remember that he got relatively little mention by the historians - but I'm certainly not complaining *g*

About LotR fandom, oh, yes, it would go on without out you of course, but it would certainly be a more depressing place. There simply are not enough good elf authors left to read. It's going down hill, I tell ya, the whole fandom; you would certainly be a loss.
Maggie Honeybite
maggiehoneybite at 2004-11-04 18:09 (UTC) (Link)
I haven't heard of this Maggie Honeybite person, but I will go find her - thanks!

Hello! *waves*

If you're thinking about reading The Charioteer, by all means, do! It's a wonderful, wonderful book. My favourite of MR's. And the Charioteer fic Elfscribe mentioned is called "Watch One Hour With Me," and was posted here:


Thank you, Elfscribe, for the pimping! ;)

More fine Mary Renault fanfiction can be found on the maryrenaultfics community.
elfscribe5 at 2004-11-04 18:28 (UTC) (Link)
Bows. My pleasure Maggie. I'll be your pimp anytime.
Hermione "Queen Of The Anal Retentives" Granger
scribbling_elf at 2004-11-11 22:07 (UTC) (Link)
I came by to say hi after having just friended you. I thought that our interests looked similar, and I would love to get to know you better. :D

"Just play it as skin and silence."

Oooh, I love that. The minute I read that, I knew I had to friend you. It's such a beautiful phrase I feel like making it the title of my journal or something like that. I hope the story isn't apocryphal.

I haven't really been looking forward to Alexander, but now I'm getting curious...I still haven't seen Troy, though I've written fanfiction for it.
elfscribe5 at 2004-11-12 03:45 (UTC) (Link)
Hiya PanDaimonia. Nice to meet ya. Yeah, it looks like we have a lot of interests in common. Happy to talk. You've not seen Troy? Well,if you're familiar with the Iliad, I think you'll be quite disappointed in the script, but the gorgeous men in short skirts make it worth seeing. *g*
trishmbb at 2004-11-27 04:28 (UTC) (Link)
I'm commenting so late that you'll probably never see this...and even if you do, odds are that by now you already know what I'm about to tell you...but hell, I like to live on the edge. I suspect the book you refer to is the one written by historian Robin Lane Fox; he just recently published a book called "The Making of Alexander," based upon his experience as an advisor on the film. If that quote about Francisco Bosch is indeed from this book, it seems it'll be well worth a look.
elfscribe5 at 2004-11-27 05:31 (UTC) (Link)
Hello trishmbb, thanks for info. I'll have to check it out. Glad you stopped by.
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