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Castlelake

Gay rights and don't ask, don't tell

Posted on 2008.06.29 at 13:06
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It seems to be a global movement whose time has come. Just like minority and women's rights before it. Yay!  Of course, there is quite a backlash (just like the Civil Rights movement.)  Check out this article.

I saw a 60 minutes episode on gay men in the military  in which several officers asserted that allowing openly gay people in the military  would disrupt  morale, making our military less than competent in battle.  Gad, how many ways to refute this bit of prejudice?  First of all the British military has been allowing openly gay people for a number of years and they don't seem to have any problems.  (One of the aforementioned military officers said the British hadn't been in real combat situations since then and so we couldn't assess their battle capabilities.  *snort*). Second, that exact same argument was used by people against allowing troops to be desegregated and against women in the military, (oh woe, if we allow blacks and whites together, there will be poor morale and no one will be able to fight) and now mixing different races and genders is accepted and I haven't seen that it has destroyed morale. If anything, it has improved it. Third,  the ancient Greeks had no problem with homosexuality and in some case actively promoted it within the military - check out the Spartans and the Theban Band -  and I challenge anyone to say the Greeks were anything less than superb warriors.   I rest my case.

Here's a link to the 60 minutes clips.  I don't know how long it'll work.

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chaotic_binky
chaotic_binky at 2008-06-29 20:48 (UTC) (Link)
I tried to watch but it kept breaking up. So the British presence in Iraq and Afghanistan seems to have passed that military officer by. lolol

Hugs Binky xxxxx
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2008-06-29 21:09 (UTC) (Link)
Apparently. Oh it was a real slur. He implied that the British were a bunch of pansies.
Artaxastra
artaxastra at 2008-06-30 00:12 (UTC) (Link)
Also worth noting that many other European countries have had gay people in the military for a long time, France since 1852! It's ridiculous. You have no idea how many young serving officers and non coms have said it's no big deal to them, and they wish the Pentagoon would get with it.
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2008-06-30 04:54 (UTC) (Link)
Right. It is ridiculous. I can't think of any logical arguments for keeping things the way they are. We've through all this before with other groups, why the same old rhetoric over again. However, I suppose if one begins with the premise that being gay is an aberration and sinful, and that people who are gay choose to follow an evil path, then homophobia follows from that. Kinda the same thing as in an earlier era when men seriously argued that if women got the vote and participated in the manly arena of politics, it would harm their ovaries. Sheesh.
Oshun
heartofoshun at 2008-06-30 17:50 (UTC) (Link)
Totally agree with you. Am distracted and frenzied today, so I can't add anything serious.

Just for the record: I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area two different times in my life for a total of about ten years, and I don’t think I ever missed the Gay Pride parade. (Can't deny I really enjoyed seeing so many gorgeous guys in one place, but the Dykes on Bikes were always a sentimental favorite of mine. And the guys dressed up as nuns, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence I think they called themselves.) Here is a photo to accompany the article you cited above.


Brides show off their rings while riding with "Dykes on Bikes" at the 38th Annual San Francisco LGBT Pride Celebration. Photo by Lacy Atkins/The San Francisco Chronicle

Edited at 2008-06-30 05:54 pm (UTC)
elfscribe5
elfscribe5 at 2008-06-30 17:54 (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the piccie, m'dear!
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